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(Mar 18, 2010 at 10:16)
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It's part of the der as well. I tried using force with my 9 speed shifter/cog and no go, skipped gears like mad around 7th or 6th cog. Not quite sure how the der differs between 9 and 10 speed, but it does somehow.
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Lester... Yes there is a difference. The cable pulls are different. If you use a 10 speed der with a 9 speed cassette, you are going to be jumping gears, doesn't really work.
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Ya while I have had great experience with X-O, there are two personal drawbacks for me to make the jump to 10 speed.
The lack of real world riding on the 10 speed set up for MTB in our riding conditions. I'd love to see some long term reviews done with 10 speed with our shore muck. The other drawback for me is the un-proven durability of this new stuff. I have tried out Rival and Force in MTB applications and have had mixed results with it. DH application, the deraliler rattled appart from every pivot after 1.5 months. 4x application I have had no issues. While this stuff was intended for road, I'd still like to see the durability of new X-7 and XX tested in FR and DH applications. |
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And people STILL say 8 speed is better than 9 speed. 9 speed has just become the norm so most people think that 9 speed is the best out there. However, personally I find that 8 speed works far superior to 9 speed when it comes down to it. Shift may not be AS crisp as a 9 speed, but in real trail application, the 8 speed sheds mud better than 9 speed, and maintains its shift no matter what.
Don't get me wrong, I LOVE my X-O shifting. Never had any serious issues with it. I just think that the whole 10 speed trend is just something new that the industry is pushing on us that may or may not be any better than 9 speed. |
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They still make 6/7 and 8 speed components, so this doesn't mean they are going to banish 9 speed all together. My hope is that they will still offer a higher end 9 speed groupo for those of us that don't want to jump on this trend...
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It's more tightly clustered so easier for mud to pack into the drivetrain. For the highest caliber XC racers, it may make sense, but other than that, 10 speed makes no sense in MTB.
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You must have not tried many pedals then...
Why wouldn't someone just buy Twenty6 pedals for cheaper, look better, last longer and are lighter weight? |
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That's great. All I'm saying is that it might make more sense to sell it. with interchangeable dropouts to make the bike appeal to a,larger market. Company doesn't have the best rep for being lightweight so I don't think its that smart to limit the bike to just 4x. What makes this bike better than a yeti or a banshee? Can't wait to see there geo as they royally messed the geo on their dh sled...
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Meow. Why don't you simmer down there a tad, not everyone thinks the same way as you.
You do know you don't have to run it SS if you have horizontal dropouts right? |
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Yeah vertical does seem a bit better for sideways wheels, but I find just running a bolt on rear hub eliminates that opinion. I just like the fact you can adjust your wheelbase with horizontal dropouts. This is all IMO though.
I just thought having interchangeable dropouts would have been a much better choice. They have to set themselves aside from every other company if they want these to sell. Right now it seems really mainstream and nothing sets it apart. |
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Why not? Adjustable geo run it SS if you want.
Question is why would you run it with vertical dropouts if it can be done the same with horizontal? |
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They could have just use horizontal dropouts with a hanger. Or interchangeable dropouts. Like most smart companies do.
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Let me get this right. OGC is a bad company because cost of a cartridge is $150, but you paid $300 through a shop?
You are complaining becasue a shop has to mark up a product so they can make a product? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA |
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Meh, I think it's pretty much hit or miss with these pedals. I went from DX's to these to see how I liked em and after one season I cant't stand them anymore. Both axles seized after 2 months of dry riding. The right wing snapped and rendered the clip essentially useless. Plus I found the tension to be way to soft after a month of riding and the cleat was worn in. I found myself popping out all over the place.
The only area that the mallets would win over the DX is in mud shedding. They are pretty supreme when it comes to that. Majority of my friends who ride any version of the Crank Bros pedals have never had any positive feedback on them. However this all may be just bad experiences and personal opinion. |
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As do I. They still have a lifetime warranty.
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For 2010 or 2009?
As of 2010 in Canada they still have the lifetime warranty |
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Lol, Risse. Sorry i should rephrase my question. Name 5 forks that have been around since 1998 that people actually still ride.
Thought you said you could name 15 off the top of your head? |
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Most Cannondale dealers can service the forks. major rebuilds and warranty has to be sent back to Cannondale. Exactly the same as RS, Marz, Fox or Mani.
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Really? Go ahead and tell me 5 forks that have been around since 1998.
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Cool idea and all but seriously, how often do you break rails? I run I-Fly to carbon I-Beam post and have not had one issue with cracks, chips or malfunctions in the year and half I have had it. Kore is trying to fix a problem that doesn't really exist. By the time you break a rail it will be time to replace the seat. Oh well, they are anodized rails so I'm sure they will sell to people who only care about the colors...
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Well you know the park is open before then right? So You can always ride the trail the week before... It's not like they open the race course on just that day...
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This is probably because some a$$hat filed down his fork, fork arch snapped and he ended up in the hospital, so he is now suing fox. Companies generally release statements like this if they have been sued.
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And what was the best place Vink finished? Vink is an incredible rider but he is not the one to take Trek to the podium. Leov and Neethling are big names who are ready to podium for Trek.
Of course I know of Vink, who doesn't! |
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Trek finally gets serious with their WC downhill team, It's about time! Can't wait to see how the 88 does on the WC circuit.
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You do know most of the components today are made in Asia correct? And most of the Frames are made overseas as well. People seem to bitch and complain about Bontrager parts, but who has actually ridden them? They are cheap and light. When you say comes with only Bontrager components you mean that Bontrager Makes SRAM X-O, FOX 40, FOX DHX 5 and Saint? I didn't know this...
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As much as I enjoy arguing with old people on forums I think I may have lost this argument so I am going to peace out.
This is why I stick to single rings, less problems. |
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Cannot say anything about VPP since I have never ridden one but I can speak of Mastero and Full Floater as those are the two I have ridden with a granny gear. When I dropped it into the granny gear on both those bike I experienced only better pedaling platform. Honestly have never experienced negative effects on suspension in the granny gear when using it for climbing.
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I have to disagree, granny ring pedaling gives you the least amount of pedal feedback. You are putting the lowest possible torque on the suspension while riding in the granny gear and therefore should have the lowest pedal feedback. I really do not understand how it is possible the granny would give you more bob than a middle or big. Last bike I had with double rings was a X1 and had significantly less pedal bob in the granny gear.
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What are you even talking about?
Designing a frame to accommodate a 22 or 24 chainring? Newsflsh- Most freeride frames accommodate double or triple chainrings, which include 22 or 24 granny gears. |
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150x12mm in the rear? Doesn't that seem like overkill to anyone else?
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THANK YOU! Finally a voice of reason in here. All you people ever actually ridden the old Dorado? the inverted design helps it to track incredibly.
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$7100 and it comes stock with Alex rims? Ouch... Don't know if I'm really fan of the Air in the back...
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Steve is out for a bit with a knee injury...No Steve this time around. Sad...
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